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December 05, 2006
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I liked the movie memento. When I'm creative I get absent-minded like him and have to resort to radical means to ... stay focused. A risky business.
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[9:31:01 PM] gambatte1 says: if V was for Vendetta, what is M4?
[9:31:53 PM] MC says: what if Moshiach was meant as a collective transformation and not the arrival of a single individual?
[9:33:31 PM] MC says: what do ya think of the collective Moshiach possibility
[9:33:49 PM] MC says: just made it up off the top of my head
[9:34:18 PM] gambatte1 says: actually i had explored that question specifically as a consequence of 7/15 epiphany ...
[9:34:43 PM] gambatte1 says: and apparently the ortho's believe in an individual David-line prophet of M,
[9:34:56 PM] gambatte1 says: while Reform denies an individual agent ,
[9:35:02 PM] MC says: Actually, I guess within Judaism there is supposed to be a colelctive effort in order to usher in M, but that is a distinct concept from Moshiah BEING A COLLECTIVE ENTITY
[9:35:02 PM] gambatte1 says: and emphasize that it's just an age
[9:35:11 PM] gambatte1 says: aha ok
[9:35:23 PM] gambatte1 says: kewl
[9:35:35 PM] MC says: What does Reform preach then?
[9:35:45 PM] MC says: ...if not an indv agent
[9:36:36 PM] MC says: and b4 I forget, you'll have to tell me the full 7/15 story/transformation/epiphany sometime
[9:37:40 PM] MC says: Alright, I am open for a couple more words
[9:39:42 PM] gambatte1 says: while some Chabad people think, for example, that the Rebbe WAS the Messiah,
[9:39:54 PM] gambatte1 says: Reform considers such a formulation ... unsound
[9:40:45 PM] MC says: I got news for Chabad, Moshiach is supposed to take us to olam habah, and as far as I can tell... well, we ain't there brother
[9:43:40 PM] gambatte1 says: well, it's sort of ... a device to help you maintain perfect faith that ... it's imminent
[9:43:47 PM] gambatte1 says: and that's a rather empowering belief
[9:43:57 PM] gambatte1 says: which reform finds ... scary
[9:44:30 PM] gambatte1 says: as i joke about on my blog, i find the human messiah notion no more ugly than homosexuality
[9:44:42 PM] MC says: hmmmm
[9:44:53 PM] MC says: unusual contrast - provocative
[9:45:14 PM] gambatte1 says: dey dun kall m mr. provokative 4 nutterbutters
[9:45:32 PM] MC says: :D
[9:45:44 PM] gambatte1 says: ;)
[9:46:42 PM] MC says: however, I have the feeling you use the word "ugly" to spice up your ulterior motive... since I believe you find neither truly 'ugly' mais oui?
[9:47:03 PM] MC says: the ? then becomes, what is yr ult mot
[9:47:10 PM] gambatte1 says: well, not truly and deeply, i.e., i find both philosophically acceptable
[9:47:35 PM] MC says: ah thought so
[9:47:39 PM] gambatte1 says: though both are ... not a standard part of my upbringing and therefore both somewhat "strange" to me
[9:47:47 PM] MC says: hmmm
[9:48:10 PM] MC says: so the ugliness comes from others' ideas about one or the other of these notions
[9:48:19 PM] gambatte1 says: and i consider one's ability to find the not-bad in the strange a mark of good character
[9:48:51 PM] gambatte1 says: in a society that considers m-m "queer" ,
[9:48:53 PM] MC says: I am completely in agreement!
[9:49:08 PM] gambatte1 says: or in a society that considers M-m "fanatical" ....
[9:49:13 PM] gambatte1 says: u get m drift
[9:49:17 PM] MC says: hold up m-m
[9:49:34 PM] MC says: MJ? Moshiach?
[9:49:38 PM] gambatte1 says: man-man, and Moshiach-man
[9:49:52 PM] gambatte1 says: yes?
[9:49:53 PM] MC says: ahhh, you are wise beyond yr years
[9:50:10 PM] gambatte1 says: hehe, just behind my ears,
[9:50:20 PM] MC says: ye shi qian xu
[9:50:23 PM] gambatte1 says: many men have been not only wiser but more ....
[9:50:31 PM] gambatte1 says: productive at much younger ages,
[9:50:36 PM] gambatte1 says: and i have barely begun to produce
[9:50:43 PM] gambatte1 says: nali
[9:50:43 PM] MC says: I hear ya brother man,
[9:51:48 PM] gambatte1 says: i have learned to combine logical thought and kismetological thought
[9:51:58 PM] gambatte1 says: and found it pleasing
[9:52:03 PM] MC says: hold on let me check the d
[9:52:28 PM] gambatte1 says: kismet?
[9:52:30 PM] gambatte1 says: fate
[9:52:33 PM] gambatte1 says: fatalistic
[9:52:43 PM] MC says: gotchya
[9:52:43 PM] gambatte1 says: i'm not sure kismetological is a "real" word
[9:53:09 PM] MC says: is there a founder and a movement behind the word?
[9:53:47 PM] Mister Creator says: http://www.mattjacobson.com/archives/2006/11/for_clarificati.html
[9:53:57 PM] gambatte1 says: i would expect it's been invented b4, though there was little indication "martial judaism" had been invented b4 despite my expectations
[9:53:58 PM] MC says: answered my own ?
[9:54:24 PM] gambatte1 says: ;)!!!!
[9:54:38 PM] gambatte1 says: kismetological in word and indeed!
[9:54:45 PM] MC says: but you have the word embedded behind the page
[9:55:03 PM] MC says: this is what turned up on Google
[9:55:06 PM] MC says: pure (if perhaps a tad kismetological) quinkedink. including THIS (mvs, v->m, dvd, life, bog blog book and\\\ sentience. and when they say it 2 spiritwill, ...
[9:55:15 PM] gambatte1 says: it was the work of the dear Moveable Type creators
[9:55:21 PM] gambatte1 says: (and I ain't Gutten a burg
[9:55:23 PM] gambatte1 says: )
[9:55:43 PM] MC says: alright, keep creating!
[9:55:56 PM] gambatte1 says: and so ... m memes filter into the global consciousness stew
[9:56:45 PM] MC says: me-too, said the newest incarnation of the tribe meme
[9:56:47 PM] gambatte1 says: add oil, m brotha
Posted by matt at December 5, 2006 02:46 AM